by Peter Panepento
If you haven’t yet seen the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review piece on the proposed Erie Renewable Energy plant, I suggest you check it out.
Emissions questions aside, it seems as though there is a bit of controversy over where the plant will actually get its tires.
According to the story:
[Caletta Renewable Energy] chief operating officer Victor] Gatto says he has agreements with partners who he won’t disclose to get the tires the plant will need. He said all the tires will come from within a 200-mile radius of Erie and be shipped in by truck and rail.
“We’re looking at Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Buffalo,” he said.
Not possible, say tire recyclers in those cities.
“It would be like saying they’re going to get them from the moon,” said Jeffrey Kendall, president of Liberty Tire Recycling, Downtown. The company recycles almost 25 percent of the nation’s scrap tires in 14 facilities nationwide, including Braddock.
Recyclers say no tires are going to waste — they’re being transformed into mulch for playgrounds, rubber tracks at high schools, new tires and supplemental fuel for coal-fired power plants and cement kilns. And it’s being done at a profit to the recyclers.
“Most of our customers are under long-term contract,” Kendall said. “They won’t be giving their tires to Erie Renewable.”
After more than six years working as a journalist in Erie, I'm now the web editor for the Chronicle of Philanthropy in Washington, D.C., and the publisher of GlobalErie.com. I still maintain close ties to Erie - a community that I care about deeply. I hope this Web site can help inspire a better future for Erie.
Joe Erie
September 4th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
This is what K.E.E.P. leader Randy Barnes has been saying all along. ERE’s numbers just don’t add up with reality. The plant is completely unnecessary, and poses too many potential health risks in exchange for a relative handful of mainly unskilled jobs. The tire feedstock to run this plant as the developers claim just does not exist. Once they run out of tires, they will apply to burn other waste products (sewage sludge, trash, and other residual wastes) to keep the dumping fees coming in.
So really, why should we degrade our air and water quality (this will happen regardless of its operation within permissible levels of emissions) leading to adverse human health effects, decrease overall property values, risk the economic fallout that these types of heavily-polluting industrial developments bring, and totally contradict Erie’s emergence from an economy based on low-tech, polluting industry when the project is unnecessary and a liability to everyone besides Greg Rubino and investors from New England?
It would be an entirely different story if this proposed facilty would have a true purpose other than to make a very small number of out-of-towners a great deal of money. It will not be a net energy producer and it does not manufacture a good or provide a viable service. It is a perfect example of economic counterproductivity.
Heavy D
September 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I love this kind of reporting! I wish we had more of it. I originally supported the the tire plant but more and more it is looking like a certain juice plant I was told would be great too.
James A
September 4th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
“Agreements with partners he won’t disclose?” The first thought that crossed my mind reading that, was that lots of cars in Pittsburgh and Buffalo are going to end up propped up on cinder blocks. Second thought was, BS meter readings are off the scale.
Dennis Stratton
September 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Allison’s story in Sunday’s Pittsburgh Tribune was good. Here is the link to it.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/search/s_585818.html
I did ask Allison if she knew what Rubino’s college major was when he dropped out.
She did also cover that MTR the casino had to drop association with Rubino. In the Erie paper a week ago it had a story about the state attorney general has a hard drive from someone that worked with Rubino for 7 years. They didn’t cover why the gaming commission required that Rubino be dropped before granting a license.
This next link I just got. The same players from Mass. are trying to get the same kind of incinerator going in Youngstown, Ohio. Which is a few miles from to the PA line. They use the same story as here in Erie, that 60 jobs will be created, at 50 thousand each.
Hopefully we can get the people from Ohio informed. The paper in Erie is not reporting fully what is being told. As a result the people in Erie do not have the whole story told to them, as they should.
If you know anyone in Ohio please let them know about the lies being told to them about how great this plant will be.
Something that I keep telling people, ” If this plant and Technology is so great every city in the country would want it, Do They?”
Ask Questions
http://www.jreri.com/News/The BusinessJournal4-2-08.pdf
Thanks
Dennis Stratton
Chuck
September 5th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Things that will always KEEP Erie Down?? Tom Ridge & People like Randy Barnes!! The answer of Pittsburgh or Buffalo was just speculation and an answer off the top of his head of just a few tire recyclers. Instead of always beating someone down and assuming that they are not disclosing everything, ask them!! They way this is being handled, is why Erie never forges ahead, and always will be in the past!! KEEP Erie STAGNENT in what is happening!!
James A
September 5th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Chuck, they did ask them where they’re getting the tires. “Partners they won’t disclose”, and “within 200 miles” were the answers they got. Unless there are some other bigger cities within 200 miles that I don’t know about, Buffalo, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh are the only options.
If those answers really were off the top of his head, then the whole project is in major trouble. It would mean that, at this stage, they haven’t completed their market research.
Joe Erie
September 5th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Chuck,
If you’re going to make your big point in all caps, at least learn to spell “STAGNANT” correctly.
Joe Erie
September 5th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Thanks for the link, Dennis. It seems this dubious outfit that Rubino is associated with (Jefferson/Caletta “Renewable” Energy), has this as their business model… “The only places that may go along with these types of project sare down-on-their-luck cities aching for any jobs whatsoever, regardless of the overall detriment to the community”. Erie and Youngstown are perfect fits.
Not A KEEPer, But My Mom says I am
September 5th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Great article. Shows how ridiculous the mental midgets yelling about this project are getting in Erie. Scare tactics obviously get the less educated all worked up about this. Great strategy from the faux environmentalists with their one pony show of concern for the future. I wish we had the same leadership as Youngstown. They’ve even adopted some smart growth(shrinking) plans for the future; while Erie’s dartboard strategy of appeasing minority extremist environmental groups gets us nowhere.
‘Local Leaders Welcome Project”
“We need to bring ourselves into the 21st century as far as energy. Energy costs are rising,”
“The $235 million in investment is going to be a big plus for our local economy. There’s going to be a lot of spinoff development associated with that. It’s going to be creating a lot of good-paying jobs,” Presby said.
julio c reyes
September 5th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Joe Erie,
You are getting into my nerves. I was wondering since when you became the internet spelling and correctness patrol.
While I might not agree with Chuk’s point of vie he has all the right to express his ideas in nay way he feels like.
Now, just to proof that everybody including you makes mistakes I am cutting and pasting below two statements you posted under another topic answering to Jim Berlin’s question.
You wrote:
“the technology to to this without ruining the air we breathe”
Obviously you mean to write:
“the technology to do this without ruining the air we breathe”
But this is even worse:
“Closed loop gasification systems exist for the very purpose of eliminating waste tires”
No Joe Erie, this method of waste disposal to generated energy was never created for the very purpose of eliminating waste tires. Waste Tires are only one of the waste materials that could be used in that system. That system will use ANY (carbon based) waste available on Earth.
In your post to me you also said:
“”” Before telling someone else what they should or shouldn’t say on this forum, you should make sure you at least understand the post before you spout off with your pompous decrees. That way you don’t come off looking like an idiot. Just trying to help”””””
The funny thing is that I am not afraid of looking like an idiot while trying to present my ideas in this forum. I am just trying to help by being sure that at least the information somehow is accurate.
To finish in a positive note, I want to be sure that you understand I am not attacking you personally or your ideas (I even believe I share some of them). My correction to your original post was because your statements were not clear and might confuse people.
Also, while I might not agree with Chuck about who and what is causing Erie to be stagnant. I definitively agree with him that Erie is indeed stagnant. To the degree that some local people speak with pride in their voice when they said yes, we know Erie is always back at least 20 years. These local people making it sound like being back in time is a good thing. So, the main task for all of us together is what we could do to change (improve) things trying to bring Erie to present time and building for the future rather than just making spelling corrections in a post.
By the way I do also make mistakes that’s is part of living
Danny Lucas
September 5th, 2008 at 11:51 am
ERIE — A Massachusetts company wants to turn old tires into electricity on the shores of this lakeside city.
But it isn’t just the 3 million pounds of soot and chemicals that would be released yearly into the air that has critics calling Erie Renewable Energy’s $350 million proposal a mistake by the lake.
—-from the first 2 paragraphs of the link article
Mistake by the lake.
Mistake on the lake.
These are nicknames we have been desperately trying to change for our town. Only ERE could put it back in the news that way.
It is not a question as Jim Berlin is arguing that a “safe” level be established. The reality is that Hammermill also polluted the area.
(particularly the pulp mill).
The question is really “What is the best use of that area on the lake for this community?” On that basis, ERE is not the answer.
Many are challenging KEEP and environmentalists as blocking jobs.
No one wants an ending for new jobs. I applaud the spirit of defining what is good for all of us, instead of what is good for a few.
Edge
September 6th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Trust. The one thing the McCormick, Rubino, Gatto team is missing. Reported by ETN March 07 that they were negotiating with Waste Management for tires. Stated twice by Rubino in January 2008 that he had a letter of commitment from Waste Management for tires. That was not true. Complete fabrication.
McCormick, Rubino and Gatto are putting brochures in minority churches promising jobs at a plant that they know they don’t have the raw material for is wrong. Gatto says he can’t name the supplier for his tires. Experts in the tire recycling field say there are no tires for this plant. Should we believe Gatto with his degree in education or the tire recycling experts? McCormick, Rubino and Gatto are still looking for investors. You too can be part of the scam of the decade.
Dennis Stratton
September 7th, 2008 at 12:32 am
Everyone,
This link is to a story by Jim Carrol, at the Erie Times-News on Saturday, 9/6/08, it is about where all of the scrap tires come from. I have more questions if anyone wants to ask.
This next line is about a new incinerator in Youngstown, Ohio dated 4/2/08. They plan on burning municipal waste. This is the same group of people that want to burn tires in Erie.
This link is to a paper that has been put out by the Erie Sierra Club.
It is the most researched document to date. Please look at all of these and send them to your friends, and old Erie neighbors.
Thanks
Dennis Stratton
Chuck
September 7th, 2008 at 8:30 am
“JOE” If you have an ORIGIONAL THOUGHT let me know!! If not I will assume your mind is STAGNANT, as is KEEP jobs out of Erie!!.
Joe Erie
September 7th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Wow, Chuck. Another great piece of writing from you. I won’t even comment… it’s just too easy.
Dale Hannah
September 7th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
If you read the link that Dennis provided, you will see on page 2, a statement that Akron used a tire-fueled generating plant for a while, but that plant was closed due to violations of EPA regulations.
Is Erie really gullible enough to believe that it will be any better here?
Chuck
September 8th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
what would your plans be for the site if it was not used for the tire plant?? I would guess that KEEP would not be happy with any type of MFG!!
Edge
September 9th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Chuck, You are way off on your understanding of KEEP. KEEP only came into existence 15 months ago with the intent on educating the public on the dangers of the worlds largest tire incinerator knowing that with enough support there was always that possibility it could be stopped. You and members of KEEP should be concerned about any new TITLE V major source of hazardous pollution. 99.99% of all manufacturing facilities are not Title V.
Dale Hannah
September 9th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Chuck, I have to agree with Edge here. The great majority of heavy manufacturing industries do not fall under Title V heading. I have not heard of anyone who is against another type of plant moving in here if they are not major polluters. I do not believe industries will be turned off by the public outcry against the tire plant, unless they also plan to run a high-pollution producing operation. The Erie area has cleaned up the lake, and most heavy polluters are gone. Why should we be so desperate as to allow a company to build which will dump massive amounts of unmonitored toxins into our air and water?
I am NOT a member of KEEP, however I still believe that in a democracy (republic) the people have the right and responsibility to voice their opinions on such controversial projects.
Joe Erie
September 10th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Good post, Dale.
I would love to see Erie’s business and government leaders get a comprehensive and cohesive plan together that addresses the state of the manufacturing future of Erie and provides a clear direction of the types of industries Erie actually wants to attract… ones that will actually produce long-term economically viable goods and ones that will truly offer community-sustaining jobs. This proposed tire plant does neither, and on top of that, may very well ultimately be a massive economic liabiliity for the city and region.
For those who feel that KEEP is against manufacturing should actually , you are incredibly misinformed. Many of the members, including the group’s leaders, have had lifelong careers in manufacturing (Hammermill, Kaiser Aluminum, Plastek, GE, among others), and want nothing more than to attract manufacturing firms back to Erie.
Chuck, I for one, would be happy with just about any type of manufacturing plant/s for that site other than this tire incinerator… one that adds value to the Erie community, rather than detracts from it in far too numerous ways. I do not believe that the pockets of very few individuals, with questionable backgrounds in this type of development, should be thickly-lined at the both the health and economic expense of the community at-large.